Category Archives: Mary vs. Israel

Mary vs. Israel: how would you have written it?

In response to my email, Mr. A wrote the following (his responses are in all caps this time; people in our ministry often had a problem with following conversations and set aside the usual quoting traditions):
On 3/5/04 10:14 AM, “Charles Sebold” <csebold@livingtorah.org> wrote:
> My answer to this would be as follows:
>
> 1. John isn’t [...]

Mary vs. Israel: it is reporting objective truth

In response to Mr. A’s email:
On 12 Adar 5764, Mr. A wrote:
> My input will need to be from a different angle. When I first heard
> the teacher teach this idea, I had to “wipe the slate clean” so to speak and
> ask myself if I would come up with the same conclusion if [...]

Mary vs. Israel: a very compelling argument

Ed. — this post must have been messed up when I did a subsequent edit, so this is the second time I am putting it up. My comments are likely not the same as they would have been when I scheduled this post, days ago.
At this point Mr. A jumped back in, in response [...]

Mary vs. Israel: I think that’s backwards

In response to the teacher’s email:
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
From: Charles Sebold
To: Teacher
On 10 Adar 5764, the teacher wrote:
> Charlie you have not upset me in any way and I am not trying to
> upset you or not answer you. my point is that in light of the other
> Gospels that [...]

Mary vs. Israel: very Catholic to accept this one

In response to my last email:
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
From: Teacher
To: Charles Sebold
Charlie you have not upset me in any way and I am not trying to upset
you or not answer you. my point is that in light of the other Gospels
that His mother was not there at the crucifixion. The [...]

Mary vs. Israel: you never answer my objections

In response to the teacher’s email:
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
From: Charles Sebold
To: Teacher
On 10 Adar 5764, the teacher wrote:
> Charlie I know that you are taking that Greek class and are using it
> as they do, but it is not used in Greek as him except by those that
> do not [...]

Mary vs. Israel: John is full of errors

In response to my email:
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
To: Charles Sebold
From: Teacher
Charlie I know that you are taking that Greek class and are using it as
they do, but it is not used in Greek as him except by those that do not
grasp the fact that the word is used to describe [...]

Mary vs. Israel: no reason to buy either one yet

In response to the teacher’s email:
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
From: Charles Sebold
To: Teacher
On 10 Adar 5764, the teacher wrote:
> The second problem with the use as being the mother of Yeshua is
> that the Greek word autou has been misused by most all schools and
> non-Greeks. It is not a word [...]

Mary vs. Israel: misused by most all schools

In response to my email:
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
From: Teacher
To: Charles Sebold
The second problem with the use as being the mother of Yeshua is that
the Greek word autou has been misused by most all schools and
non-Greeks. It is not a word that means him. It means here or
there. Secondly if this [...]

Mary vs. Israel: the Greek in John is quite clear

My response to the last email:
From: Charles Sebold
Subject: Re: [Old Ministry List] Re: Mary vs. Israel
To: Teacher, Mr. A
I would like to respond to this.
> On Mar 2, 2004, at 10:45 PM, Mr. A wrote:
>
>> I want to clarify one item in what I have written in my notes
>> below. Is the [...]

Mary vs. Israel: never His earthly mother

Now I need to describe the rules of engagement for this chapter of the testimony. I am anonymizing all the emails that went back and forth, except for my own statements. The cast of characters will be noted by letters, except for myself and the teacher.
The first salvo went out to our email [...]

Mary vs. Israel, part 1

This will likely be the most arcane and detailed series of posts in the testimony. I will try to put a summary paragraph at the end for those who are not willing or able to follow the twists and turns ahead. I don’t blame you, frankly, but the fact is that this chapter [...]

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